Showing posts with label ban. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ban. Show all posts

Wednesday, 17 October 2012

Scotsman declares smoking ban in cars 'a step too far'.

Read here.

The recommendation to ban smoking in cars is made on the basis of research by Aberdeen scientists (as the Evening Express declares proudly), at the Scottish Centre for Indoor Air, which found that:
levels of harmful pollutants were 11 times higher in “smoking” cars when compared with “non-smoking” cars.
It seems odd, to say the least, to generalise about smoking cars, as if they all contained equal amounts of smoke, were all of the same size and all subject to the same variable conditions (same number of windows open, vents open to the same degree, and so on).

And although I agree with the Scotsman's leader position on this, their report tells us,
Some experts claim smoking in cars exposes non-smokers to high levels of second-hand smoke which has 23 times more toxins than a busy smoke-filled room. Previous studies have revealed at least three in ten smokers light up in their cars when there are other people present.
The same critique can be applied here. There is no standard exposure in a room, which can vary in size, occupancy, air insulation and all other factors pertinent to exposure to contaminants. More significantly this reporting shows no awareness that the British Medical Journal apologised around a year ago for claiming that  cars were 23 times more toxic than a bar. They issued an alternative statement: 'the concentration of toxins in a smoke-filled vehicle could be up to 11 times greater [yes, 11 times greater] than that of a smoky bar' (see this link). Quelle coincidence!

The background to the story popping up last year was an announcement of a study carried out by SCIA (link above), which announced the dangers of smoking in cars, where concentrations of toxins were higher than the 'safe level' of outdoor air exposure recommended by the WHO. This is discussed here in some detail (thanks to Michael J. McFadden for assistance), but this part, concerning the relevance of outdoor exposure levels to measuring secondary smoke in cars, is the most damning:
While it is true that according to agencies such as the US EPA that urban, automotive, and industrial air pollution has been shown to be unhealthy or even dangerous when it reaches higher levels for periods of 24 hours or more, it is also true that the EPA doesn’t set standards for FPM 2.5 for shorter periods because there is no sound medical reason to believe that shorter episodes of such exposures actually pose a threat to health.  When the SCIA takes readings during car journeys that typically last less than several hours and tries to apply the EPA’s 24 hour standards to those readings, it is explicitly violating the very guidelines of the EPA itself. [These guidelines outlined in the linked post above]
The Scottish Indoor Air Centre's aims are somewhat distressingly focussed on SHS levels, declaring that its priority is:
1. Increasing our understanding of exposure to secondhand smoke in homes and cars (particularly with respect to children’s exposure) and its health effects; exploring possible interventions to reduce exposure in these microenvironments. We believe that the provision of real-time exposure data to smokers is likely to be a very effective mechanism of behavioural modification. [Emphasis added]
It is fully involved in the National Lottery-funded project Refresh and ASH Scotland in their bid to encourage smoke-free homes. Hence its emphasis on behavioural change.

The Scotsman is to be applauded for not supporting this move. There is no reason to support it.

LATE EDIT
I've just come across an account that contains a direct link to the SCIA study (pdf), with some interesting extracts.
Table 2 presents the descriptive statistics of the mean and maximum PM2.5 found during smoking and non-smoking journeys, while Figure 1 shows the time-weighted average (TWA) PM2.5 for each journey, by participant. PM2.5 concentrations in 3 of the non-smoking journeys exceeded the 25 μg/m3 WHO guidance level for indoor air [16], while this occurred in all smoking journeys for between 11 and 100% of the journey time (53% of the time, on average). [emphasis added]
That was one result they didn't shout about. Even with a short car journey the levels of non-smoke contaminants can exceed the EPA 24-hour standard (but this time duration is, according to the standard, is too short to have health implications).

The study also indulges in reinventing the EPA standards:
We have used the WHO PM2.5 guidance level as a comparison as this as the WHO has recently stated that the value can be applied both to indoor and outdoor exposures [16]. The comparison to this guidance should be done with some caution as this health-based value is based on a 24 hour time-weighted average. Clearly the exposures during car journeys we have measured are all much shorter than a 24-h averaging period but given recent work suggesting that there may be no safe level of exposure to SHS [18] we think that the use of the WHO indoor air standards for PM2.5 is a reasonable health-based method of comparison. [emphasis added]
Since the guideline explains carefully (para 28) how to calculate whether the EPA standard is valid for periods shorter than 24 hours this seems to be taking a liberty!

(Read on also about the SCIA's finding about 23, or 11, times as toxic as a smoky bar claim: 'our data do not support this claim nor the BMA's retraction'.)

Sunday, 27 November 2011

Campaigner for choice in the news on car smoking ban

Local campaigner Bill Gibson hits the headlines in Dumfries-shire (again).

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This time he addresses the car smoking ban proposed by the BMA: he points out that air cleaning technology renders car smoking bans quite unnecessary. (Unfortunately the article omits a paragraph, which probably named the Brussels Declaration on Scientific Integrity.)

So far the debate in the Scottish Parliament has been limited, with one Oral Question to the Public Health Minister, Michael Matheson, who insists that there is 'no intention' to even have a public consultation on the issue in Scotland 'at this stage'. That won't please Sheila Duffy and her ilk and they will want to know why we don't protect children when we make such a point about protecting adults.

Scotland might very well come under pressure to pass a car ban. Northern Ireland is already making plans. The Guardian reports:  
... the BMA hopes that the devolved administrations in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, which are pursuing some innovative public health measures such as alcohol minimum pricing and presumed consent organ donation, might take their own action.
 The Prime Minister has expressed himself to be 'nervous' about a smoking ban in cars. After all, 
"We do not believe that legislation is the most effective way to encourage people to change their behaviour," a Department of Health spokesman said.
Eh?

The Welsh Assembly wants an educational approach for three years and then to apply a ban if people don't mend their ways during this time. I have to say their logic is provoking. As I've already said, passive smoke exposure is already so lethal that adults have to be protected from it, with savage penalties handed down to transgressors of the public smoking ban. But for exposing children (allegedly exposed eleven times more than in a bar) there is a three-year period of grace. 

Who understands these people?

Wednesday, 16 November 2011

They really messed it up, didn't they?

Today another outburst from the Department of Health will be felt in Scotland, when a Department of Health campaign to ban smoking in cars is carried into Scotland, thanks to the Scottish branch of the BMA.

The claim is that exposure to passive smoking is 23 (or 27) times greater in cars than in 'a smoky bar'. Given a choice between protecting children in cars and adults in bars, in the face of those figures, I would argue that the authorities made the wrong choice. As they never fail to point out, children have far less choice about entering cars than adults have about being anywhere. So why wait four (or five) years after banning smoking in bars before telling us that exposure in cars is over 20 times more dangerous?

That's apart from the crazy idea that you can draw any meaningful comparison between 'a smoky car' and 'a smoky bar'. On the unscientific nature of the comparison, Chris Snowdon has more.

Note radio interviews this morning: Patsy Nurse on BBC Radio Lincoln at 7.30 and 8.10 a.m., Dave Atherton on BBC Radio WM, 9.30 a.m. and Chris Snowdon on BBC Sussex (radio?) at 9.40 a.m.

Also Dave Atherton on BBC Radio Stoke, 10.20 a.m.

Wednesday, 29 June 2011

Further BMA demand to ban smoking in cars

The BMA wants us to stop smoking in cars.
London-based Dr Noble said: “In cars, particle concentrations are 27 times higher than in a smoker’s home and 20 times higher than in a pub, in the days when you could smoke in public places.
“It would be safer to have your exhaust pipe on the inside of your car than smoke cigarettes in terms of fine particular matter released.
There is probably a good reason why neither Dr Noble nor anyone else from the BMA made a name for themselves by insisting that smoking bans in homes and cars should take priority over smoking bans in adult recreational venues. They could have saved millions of young children from up to five or six years of perilous exposure to secondary smoke. Why has no one sued them?

How can a BMA official talk about smoke levels in 'a car', 'a house', or 'a pub', and expect to have these units of measurement taken seriously?

And does he really believe that breathing in the product of an exhaust pipe is safer than inhaling secondary smoke? Why does he qualify this by saying 'in terms of particulate matter released' – because of the gaseous content of exhaust fumes, which don't lend themselves to particulate measurement?

Michael McFadden's contribution to the argument about toxicity of cigarette fumes (including its toxicity in relation to that of exhaust fumes) has featured in an earlier blog post. He points to serious flaws in studies on smoke inhalation.

We don't need a ban on smoking in cars.

Monday, 2 August 2010

Freedom to Choose (Scotland) Live Interviews, NHS Grampian smoking ban, today!

Eddie will be interviewed at 13.15 on Radio Five Live.

Michael will be interviewed on the evening news (we think 18.00) on STV North. For viewers not in Grampian go to this page after 7 pm and click on 6 o'clock news.

Also Eddie has been interviewed by a BBC Grampian reporter and will be heard on BBC Radio Scotland tomorrow morning at 8.15.

What a day ...